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Robert Wolle's avatar

I'm going to give my best argument each area of disagreement:

To number 1:

No, equal authority given to both scripture and tradition does not mean scripture *must* be interpreted through the tradition of the (Catholic) Church. In all my years being raised Catholic or going to Mass, I have never heard any Catholic priest or teacher say that Catholics shouldn't read the Bible and interpret it on their own. What it really means is that the Church's wealth of research and theology on subjects is invaluable, and at the end of the day you need a unified set of beliefs and interpretations to run a serious, universal, centralized church. If you have a conflict, go ahead and think about it on your own for a while. Look up what the Catechism says or what Church Fathers said. I've never found a subject where it doesn't turn out that the Church's interpretation matches mine once I've fully explored it.

So no, you do not need to outsource your understanding of Scripture to others. You should find that they end up effectively the same if you're being thorough. Maybe Catholics told you otherwise, but they're wrong.

2:

Every person has the same "access to God" in the Catholic Church, no one has more access than others. If you spend more time building a deeper relationship with Him, I would say you're much more likely to know what His Will is. In order to be ordained, you have to go through a long process that hopefully engenders this deeper relationship and proves that you have the ability to lead others with that gift.

No, the bishops and Pope do not "speak on behalf of God." Consider it this way: if we believe that God wants the best for people, and that Christianity is best equipped to bring that about, which isn't hard to accept with Peter and Paul and all that, then the Church aught to be guided in whatever way God deems is best for that goal. The Church hopes that it chooses leaders who take the Gospel seriously and want the best for its continued presence and spreading on Earth. If we believe that our faith is as serious as we do, then we better have unity in messaging and strategy or else we'll be divided and weaker. So if we believe that God wants the best for the Church (God's Will), that its leaders are genuinely committed to doing whatever that is, and that we should have unity to help bring that all about, then why wouldn't we consider a decision made by the Pope and bishops to be the Will of God? Specifically, I mean the "Will of God" to be what leads to human fulfillment/a relationship with God/Heaven.

The Church also doesn't believe that it alone has the power to save. It believes that it passes down the authority of the Apostles to forgive sins as given by Jesus, but it ultimately believes that salvation is Jesus' gift and that we are accountable to him foremost.

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I'm not really sure what you mean by "Doxology" based on the first part of that section, but missing Mass being a sin is possibly the most controversial doctrine I can think of for non-Catholics. It's grounded in ritual and tradition, which is hardest to prove has value and should be taken seriously. I can't give you as thorough of an argument as I have before, but grant me an attempt.

Humans are physical, temporal beings. Our souls are tied to our bodies, we exist as both thoughts and muscles simultaneously. If there's a practice that is supposed to be in line with some complete spiritual understanding of human beings, it should thus involve both mind and body. We know this inherently: spiritual practices on the subway are less effective than spiritual practices inside of a cathedral. Spiritual practices done while jumping up and down are less effective than while kneeling. Rituals have that physical component that engage our spirits fully. That's why we take rituals--and being physically present for them--seriously.

Humans are temporal beings, which means our attention to things depends on their proximity, both in space and time. We might feel great and invested in our relationship with God after we go to a religious service, but that connection wanes with time. We forget our responsibilities and go back to a less dedicated life gradually. Maybe a perfect person can sustain a complete ritual practice at home, praying every day or something and continuing to form a deeper bond with God and never forgetting it, but the vast, vast majority of people slip out of practice as soon as we aren't thinking about it actively. You and I probably both pray less than we would like to. Weekly mass is a great way to re-engage spiritually, and without it we fall away to creatures of habit and ignorance. Why 7 days instead of 10 days or 20 days? I can't answer that. Probably just inertia from the Jewish rituals it replicates.

Additionally, we also take Mass seriously. It's not just helpful signs and rituals, we believe that the Eucharist is the real substance of Jesus' Body and Blood. If you believe something like that, you should probably want to receive it as often as you can. But once a week is good enough, it seems.

4:

This is almost all wrong. We don't "need" to pray to saints. We can access Jesus directly. Praying to saints is a helpful addition to what we already do, and may help give some sort of insight that the saint's life can help for our own.

We don't "need" Mary to speak to God on our behalf. Again, we can talk to God ourselves. Mary and the Saints are already in Heaven, and they may help us in ways differently than God.

We don't "need" to recite Hail Marys or rosaries. Rote prayer is an easy way to get us in the spiritual state to speak to God directly, and also contains helpful, spiritual substance in its text.

I've already addressed the Church giving absolution point.

Finally, if you know your own way is flawed, why not give more charity to the most enduring and intellectually rigorous form of it for help and structure? There's probably a reason it's still more effective than personal practice.

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Barry Kimbrough's avatar

At seminary I took a class by a former Catholic, Raoul Dederen. He said that in the past Catholics were known as the people of the church, and Protestants were known as people of the Book.

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